Tuesday, December 12, 2006

My reaction to the Cross-Currents post, "Chiddush [something new] in Our “Beis Medrash”

Jack linked me to this post in his Haveil Havalim roundup--thanks! Here's a nice chunk:

"By Yaakov Rosenblatt

Hewed by Hashem into the essence of man is the need – the unmistakable and existential need – to add something to the experiences, choices, and lifestyle of the generation before it.

. . .

Fourth Generation

My generation (35 yrs) added something, too. Our Torah education, with college off the agenda, was more intense than that of our parents. Our internal intensity received external expression in our black velvet yarmulkes, tzitzis out, payos behind the ears, white shirts and dark pants (and sharp ties and Borsalinos on Shabbos). We saw the creation of the frum press which gave our commitment security. We looked to the Gedolim of Eretz Yisroel for psak din [rulings in Jewish law] and more and more for Hashkafa [Jewish philosophy]. Gemachim [Free loan funds], while founded conceptually by the generation before us, were brought to a new level by our generation. A 1985 Lakewood Gemach directory and a 2005 Lakewood Gemach directory say it all.

We ‘sat and learned’ longer after marriage than the generation before us. My own wife worked in a New Jersey Day School while I learned in Lakewood for three years, and we then moved to an out of town Kollel where I remained for another five years.

. . .

Many in my generation see remaining in kollel or klei kodesh [religious work] for their entire lives as their chiddush [addition] to the last generation. Economics of the 60’s didn’t allow it. But today, real estate profits and generous government programs allow for more klei kodesh careers than ever before. An average family size of six creates a new teaching position for every four families (24 kids). Adding positions in administration, fundraising, kashrus, rabbanus, kiruv, and safrus, a klei kodesh position is created by just three frum families paying their bills on time.”


On the plus side, these folks are doing a lot of good work by running "Gemachs" (G'milut Chassidism/Deeds of Kindness Societies). But the rest of the above really floored me.

So let me get this straight. Deliberately avoiding going to college is a wonderful idea? Ignoring local rabbis and paying attention to the Israeli "Gedolim" ("Great Ones," respected rabbinic scholars) alone is great? (Are there no Gedolim in the entire Western Hemisphere?) Seven years of study that might or might not lead one to get a job that will enable one to support a family of six-ten children is awesome? Having, say, 10-25% of the population employed as "professional Jews" (rabbis, scribes, etc.) doesn't put a burden on a community?

I copied my comments into Word, in case they didn't get past the moderator:

. . . When my father broke his leg, my mother went back to work to support us, because she would rather have died than go on Welfare. Since when did it become perfectly acceptable in the Jewish community for whole lifestyles to be based on perfectly able-bodied people living for years on end on hand-outs from the government?

In my generation, being a college graduate was a chiddush. In my son’s, it’s a necessity. My husband is a college accounting instructor, and he can tell you for a fact that his students are desparately [oops--desperately] seeking college degrees because it’s becoming increasing difficult to get a job that pays enough to support a family without one. I fear that, after two generations of parents without a college education, the Chareidi community will find its institutions suffering massive financial failure because there won’t be enough people making a decent living to keep the community’s organizations alive. I would hate to see a situation in which the last person to leave the bet midrash would have to turn off the lights permanently because no one could afford to pay even the electric bills, much less the rent. Im ein kemach, ein torah.

Comment by Shira Salamone — December 12, 2006 @ 9:12 pm Your comment is awaiting moderation.

And what about the impact of diminishing income on marriage? Is there any truth to the rumor that young ladies are already having difficulty with shidduchim (finding marital matches) because their fathers can’t afford to support prospective sons-in-laws’ plans to spend a few years in kollel?

“We looked to the Gedolim of Eretz Yisroel for psak din [rulings in Jewish law] and more and more for Hashkafa [Jewish philosophy].” I confess to being puzzled as to what the point is in supporting all these wonderful learning opportunities in the local community if one is not interested in what any of the local scholars has to say.

Comment by Shira Salamone —
December 12, 2006 @ 9:29 pm Your comment is awaiting moderation.

9 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's a good thing you saved your posts - they certainly haven't appeared on Cross-Currents as of now.

As to what you wrote - I agree completely!

Wed Dec 13, 09:09:00 AM 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have serious issues with the kollel system in which young, able-bodied men choose to be unemployed. The Jewish values of work and self-sufficiency have been mostly lost. We are creating a "frum" underclass. It upsets and scares me.

Wed Dec 13, 09:47:00 AM 2006  
Blogger Shira Salamone said...

Anon., I'm happy to report that my comments have, apparently, passed muster with the moderator--they now appear on Cross-Currents. Thank you for your support.

Elie, I'm willing to accept the possibility that kollel is the Chareidi equivalent of college. But I would hope that someone with several years of full-time learning under his belt would emerge with a way to make a decent living. It's not entirely clear to me whether these young men even stop to consider what they're going to be able to do, after 2 or more years of full-time studying, to support their 6-to-10-kid families. Many of these young people seem to be extremely dependent on their parents' financial support. So what happens to the next generation, when their parents are just as broke as they are? I guess that, for me, one of the scariest issues is that some seem to see the creation of a "'frum' underclass" as a *good* thing. Some Chareidi leaders seem to think that it's better for people to live in dire poverty, or on the dole, in order to continue to study full-time, than to work for a living and set aside time for study. I think Rashi the vintner and Rambam the physician are probably turning in their graves.

Wed Dec 13, 08:11:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Jack Steiner said...

I have serious issues with the kollel system in which young, able-bodied men choose to be unemployed. The Jewish values of work and self-sufficiency have been mostly lost. We are creating a "frum" underclass. It upsets and scares me.

It is a system that cannot last. It is untenable for the long term.

Wed Dec 13, 08:18:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Shira Salamone said...

Jack, I agree. As my mother would say, "G-d helps him who helps himself." Or, to quote another cliche, money doesn't grow on trees. And/or your parents are/the government is not going to be willing and/or able to support you forever.

Wed Dec 13, 09:25:00 PM 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Elie, I'm willing to accept the possibility that kollel is the Chareidi equivalent of college. But I would hope that someone with several years of full-time learning under his belt would emerge with a way to make a decent living.

That's the issue. Most of them don't. The article itself suggests that there are jobs within the system ("klei kodesh") for one in four kollel students. The other 75% need careers in the real world - and are not being prepared for them.

I also find the idea of healthy, able-bodied people relying on government handouts (WIC, food stamps, welfare, etc.) to be repulsive. It's completely against the Torah values that I grew up with.

Thu Dec 14, 09:15:00 AM 2006  
Blogger Shira Salamone said...

Elie, agreed. I've always considered it g'neivah (theft) for a person to go on welfare if it's not absolutely necessary. Okay, your job gets outsourced to India or moves to South Carolina and it's taking you a while to find a new one, or your wife's car was hit by a truck and someone has to take care of the kids while she's undergoing months of rehab . . . Things happen. But to go on public assistance without even looking for a job (or attending school for the purpose of learning a skill that you hope will enable you to find work), as if the government owes you a living?

(Food stamps are a bit different, because they're also for working people with low incomes. I'm not sure about Women, Infant, Children funds.)

This may not be the most popular thing I've ever said, but I really do have difficulty with the nonchalant assumption of some frum folks that it's perfectly okay, even laudable, to plan in advance to have a family of five children or more even when one has no idea whatsoever how one is going to support them. Surely Jewish tradition must have something to say about one's obligation to provide for one's own family.

Fri Dec 15, 01:49:00 AM 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I read this article on CC, and couldn't bring myself to comment over there, because I can pretty much guarantee my comment wouldn't pass muster. I think the idea of the men learning while the wife is earning, even though the men are able-bodied, and are not learning to take on the job of being a rabbi or teacher, or some other "holy" profession is dusgusting. It encourages laziness on the part of the husband, and theft from the government, as well as other forms of dishonesty. Last time I checked, the husband, according to Torah, is supposed to provide the wife with food, shelter, clothing and marital needs. Well, he's not providing the first three if he's living off the doll. And regarding the wife's ability to wave those rights, I would think she needs to be fully aware of what she's waving before she agrees. Furthermore, how much longer do the Collelnics think it's going to take before earning women start drawing the conclusion that, if they're smart enough to go out into the secular world and do things like be accountants, lawyers, doctors, scientists, ETC., they're smart enough to take on leadership positions within the Jewish community? Furthermore, if a man can expect his wife to wave her rights to food, shelter, clothing and marital needs, can the wife expect to be allowed to wave her obligation to maintain the household and be the primary caregiver for the family, because expecting a women with several children to be obligated to go out to work, and then come home and take care of the family/house is quite much to ask because the husband wants to sit around learning with his fellow collelnics.

Sun Dec 24, 05:05:00 PM 2006  
Blogger Shira Salamone said...

Rahel, you said a mouthful! And I agree with every word of it.

Mon Dec 25, 11:15:00 PM 2006  

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